KMA Sunday Service Week 12

KMA Sunday Service 12

sunday sevice main picThank you for once again joining the congregation at our Sunday KMA Service, where we give thanks for that which Keeps Us Alive (that sweet, sweet music!!).

This has been an hairy, dirty, smelly, tight black leather sort of week, as you’ll discover… We hope you enjoy this week’s blathering from the pulpit!


First up, here’s a Sunday Chuckle for you. Some of you will have seen this already, but when Brother Craig sent this to me, and I knew I had to share:










Also, I did minimal updates to the WOM list, this week [only E (cd, cs)]. I am a lazy sod.


Alright, let’s get down to it!


Recently on his excellent site, Deke hosted a KMA Week, reviewing four albums he thought we’d like (here, here and, as a two-parter, here and here)! Thanks again, Deke, we were honoured! So this week, I return the favour…

For this project, I have spent the majority of this week listening to one band. This is unusual for me. As Deke likes to point out, I am a melting pot! I like to listen to all manner of different styles of music, in any given week. So, what band did I play all this week, to the exclusion of all else?

1981Mötley Crüe.

And not just any Crüe: I spent all week with both editions of the Music To Crash Your Car To boxed sets. All 8 CDs!

Full Disclosure: I’m not the world’s biggest Mötley Crüe fan, though I don’t dislike them. I enjoy the hits well enough. I didn’t own the records back in the day, but I knew plenty of people who did, so I constantly heard a lot of it on boomboxes while we shot hoops.

Anyway, in 2015, this was still one hell of an education for me!


First, my own problem with the title. My grammar police brain immediately balked. How could they end the title of these with a preposition? Gah! So I started trying to fix it, like Music To Which To Crash Your Car, or how about Music By Which You Could Crash Your Car, or Car Crash Music…… But then I plugged the actual title into 6 (Sixx) different free grammar checkers online and none of them had a problem with the original title. So apparently I am overthinking things. It still looks and feels wrong to me, though.

Also, (and I know this isn’t the first time this has been said), but given Vince Neil’s drunken car crash that killed Nicholas “Razzle” Dingley of Hanoi Rocks, this title was a poor choice in bad taste.

Finally, please note: The track information I present (below) for both of these boxed sets is culled from the booklets in the boxed sets, Wikipedia, and Discogs. I hope it’s complete and there’s no confusion anywhere. I’d like for this to be a one-stop go-to for information on these sets! If you see anything that needs correcting, please let me know (in the comments).

Let’s give ‘er, shall we?



music to crash your car to 1Music To Crash Your Car To: Volume 1  

This 4CD set covers 1981-1987, including the albums Too Fast For Love, Shout At The Devil, Theater Of Pain, and Girls, Girls, Girls (plus a whole bunch of bonus tracks). Also cool, it includes the original mix of Too Fast For Love as released on Leathür Records.

As for that Leathür mix, overall I liked it better. It sounds warmer, bigger, better built to destroy. The Elektra version is in a different track order, and sounds more compressed, or tinny, or something. I don’t have enough technical knowledge to be able to verbalize precisely what’s different, I just know it’s really obvious. And in the interests of fairness, the Elektra version doesn’t sound bad, just not as good as the Leathür mix (to my non-professional ears, using the good headphones).

And let’s face it, you don’t need me to comment on these albums – you know them all top to bottom. There are so many hits and great rockin’ tunes on those four records! There are also some duds, as one would expect. I suppose I could try to write about all of this, but I feel like this is ground already well-covered. I mean, it’s been 34 years since the release of Too Fast For Love (for example). These are known records by a popular band! And they’re tons of fun, overall. I’m not trying to be lazy or get out of doing the work on this, I swear! It just would feel a bit like preaching to the choir.

As it is, Volume 1 is one helluva collection of tunes. Big fans of the band would likely have collected up most of this stuff already, and probably wouldn’t need to buy this box, but for a (relative) noob like me, having everything in one place like this was really quite awesome.

This set contains:

01-10 Too Fast For Love (Leathür)
Live Wire
Public Enemy #1
Take Me To The Top
Piece Of Your Action
Starry Eyes
Stick To Your Guns
Come On And Dance
Too Fast For Love
On With The Show

11-19 Too Fast For Love (Elektra)*
Live Wire
Come On And Dance
Public Enemy #1
Take Me To The Top
Piece Of Your Action
Starry Eyes
Too Fast For Love
On With The Show

* This version is missing Stick To Your Guns.

01 B-Side of Stick To Your Guns (limited promo 7”)
Toast Of The Town (previously unreleased)

02-03 Too Fast For Love reissue bonus tracks
Tonight (cover of the Raspberries)
Too Fast For Love (alternate intro)

04 Too Fast For Love Japanese reissue bonus track
Merry-Go-Round (live in San Antonio, TX)

05-15 Shout At The Devil**
In The Beginning
Shout At The Devil
Looks That Kill
God Bless The Children Of The Beast
Helter Skelter
Red Hot
Too Young To Fall In Love
Knock ‘Em Dead Kid
Ten Seconds To Love

16-19 Shout At The Devil reissue bonus tracks
Shout At The Devil (demo)
Looks That Kill (demo)
I Will Survive (previously unreleased)

20 Shout At The Devil Japanese reissue bonus track
Too Young To Fall In Love (demo)

** Black Widow was recorded for this album, but left off the final version. It does appear on the Red, White and Crüe compilation, as well as later in these boxed sets.

01-10 Theater Of Pain***
City Boy Blues
Smokin’ In The Boys Room (cover of Brownsville Station)
Louder Than Hell
Keep Your Eye On The Money
Home Sweet Home
Tonight (We Need A Lover)
Use It Or Lose It
Save Our Souls
Raise Your Hands To Rock
Fight For Your Rights

11-15 Theater Of Pain reissue bonus tracks
Home Sweet Home (demo)
Smokin’ In The Boys Room (alternate guitar solo – rough mix)
City Boy Blues (demo)
Home Sweet Home (instrumental rough mix)
Keep Your Eye On The Money (demo)

16 Theater Of Pain Japanese reissue bonus track
Tommy’s Drum Piece From Cherokee Studios

*** The 2003 reissue also contains a video for Home Sweet Home.

01-10 Girls, Girls, Girls****
Wild Side
Girls, Girls, Girls
Dancing On Glass
Bad Boy Boogie
Five Years Dead
All In The Name Of…
Sumthin’ For Nuthin’
You’re All I Need

11-14 Girls, Girls, Girls reissue bonus tracks
Jailhouse Rock (live)
Girls, Girls, Girls (Tom Werman & band intro – rough instrumental mix)
Wild Side (rough mix of instrumental track)
Rodeo (previously unreleased)
Nona (instrumental demo idea)

15 Girls, Girls, Girls Japanese reissue bonus track
All In The Name Of… (live in Moscow)

**** The 2003 reissue also contains a multimedia track of Girls, Girls, Girls.

music to crash your car to 2Music To Crash Your Car To: Volume 2

This 4CD set covers (most of) 1989-1999, Dr. Feelgood and Mötley Crüe, as well as the EP Quarternary, and two compilations: Decade Of Decadence, and Supersonic And Demonic Relics. It’s also got a cool comic book. I think I was supposed to get a poster, but my used copy lacks that. No big deal. For those in the know, there were other albums during that time period which are not included here: Generation Swine, Greatest Hits, and New Tattoo.

I’ve always loved Dr. Feelgood (the album – sit down, Boppin! Haha). I probably heard it the most, of all their records, back in the day. And the Corabi album hits damned hard, I really enjoyed it! Quite a different sound, probably just because it is of its time. But it’s a good thing! The rest is all odds and sods and generally good. Some of it is a mixed bag, but that’s what you get when you gather demo, unreleased, live, and b-side tracks!

Volume 2 of this boxed set series was chock full of crazy goodness. Once again, for me as a noob, it’s pretty damn cool to have all these tracks in one place.

This set contains:

01-11 Dr. Feelgood*****
T.N.T. (Terror ’N Tinseltown)
Dr. Feelgood
Slice Of Your Pie
Rattlesnake Shake
Kickstart My Heart
Without You
Same Ol’ Situation (S.O.S.)
Sticky Sweet
She Goes Down
Don’t Go Away (Just Go Away)
Time For Change

12-15 Dr. Feelgood reissue bonus tracks
Dr. Feelgood (demo)
Without You (demo)
Kickstart My Heart (demo)
Get It For Free (previously unreleased)

16 Dr. Feelgood Japanese reissue bonus track
Time For Change (demo)

***** According to Wiki, the original Korean LP of this album did not contain T.N.T. (Terror ’N Tinseltown) or Dr. Feelgood. Imagine that! I guess their censors don’t like songs about drugs!

01, 02, 07, 11 & 13-17 Decade Of Decadence ’81-’91
Live Wire (kick ass ’91 remix)
Piece Of Your Action (screamin’ ’91 remix)
Home Sweet Home ’91
Kickstart My Heart (live in Dallas, TX, July 1990)
Teaser (from the Stairway To Heaven/Highway To Hell album)
Rock ’N Roll Junkie (from The Adventures Of Ford Fairlane OMPS)
Primal Scream (previously unreleased)
Angela (previously unreleased)
Anarchy In The U.K. (cover of the Sex Pistols)

03 Previously Unreleased
Black Widow (see Theater Of Pain, on Volume 1)

04, 06 & 08-10 & 12 Supersonic & Demonic Relics
Sinners And Saints (previously unreleased)
Mood Ring (previously unreleased)
So Good, So Bad (previously unreleased)
Monsterous (previously unreleased)
Say Yeah (previously unreleased)

05 Supersonic & Demonic Relics Japanese edition
Knock ‘Em Dead, Kid (demo)

01-12 Mötley Crüe
Power To The Music
Uncle Jack
Hooligan’s Holiday
Poison Apples
Til Death Do Us Part
Welcome To The Numb
Smoke The Sky
Droppin’ Like Flies

13 Mötley Crüe expanded reissue track
Hypnotized (single b-side)

01-05 Quaternary EP (originally a limited to 20,000 mail-in offer)******
Planet Boom (Tommy Lee)
Bittersuite (Mick Mars)
Father (Nikki Sixx)
Friends (John Corabi)
Babykills (Corabi, Lee, Mars, Sixx)

****** Each band member wrote a track, and one all together (as noted).

06-09 Quaternary EP Japanese edition
10,000 Miles Away
Hooligan’s Holiday (extended holiday version by Skinny Puppy)
Livin’ In The Know

10-13 from three different Mötley promotional singles (as noted)
Misunderstood (guitar solo/scream version) (pr-8957-2)
Hooligan’s Holiday (derelict version) (pr-8901-2)
Misunderstood (successful format version) (pr-8957-2)
Hooligan’s Holiday (brown nose edit) (pr-8898-2)


2004In Sum For Entire Crüe Week:

I hope I’ve done right by our Dekester, here! It was a lot of fun to go through all of this stuff. Some total nostalgia, some new-to-me tunes. Cool beans. I come away from all of this feeling like I know them better, though in no way am I an expert. They make fun, rockin’ music that’s blues metal hard rock pop, and I like that a lot, thank you very much!

That said, I think I can take a break from listening to this band for quite a while, now. I’ll come back, but I’m gonna need some time before I do! That was A LOT of Crüe.

Also, after all of the Mötley, I feel like I need to take a shower…

I’d like to thank the band, though, for not trashing my house while they were here. They cleaned up after themselves (mostly), and even kept their shoes off the couch. For all of their reputation as bad boys, we found them to be rather respectful lads, actually.

I hope you enjoyed this DEKE WEEK!


Our Thanks

After all of that, if you’ve made it this far, we’d like to thank you very much for joining us for another KMA Sunday Service. We hope you enjoyed your stay, and that you’ll leave a small offering of a comment or two in the comment collection plate as it is passed around, though of course, as always, this is merely a suggestion and not an obligation. We invite you all to join us again next week, when we once again bring you the KMA Sunday Service!

72 thoughts on “KMA Sunday Service Week 12

    1. boppinsblog says:

      What a shit show. I would wayyyy rather watch the American Idol or even a Glee singer.

      At least Tommy, Mick, Nikki and the background singers(that pick up the ball after Vince fumbles it) are doing their jobs.

      I bet his crap voice and bad attitude are what caused the band to retire.

      I almost thought about going to the “final” tour. I’m glad I didn’t. I can remember the band in concert the way they were back in thr day

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      1. mikeladano says:

        Thank God for Mick Mars! Look at him rocking, with two hip replacements and no spinal mobility at all. He is incredible. I wonder if his guitar playing is what stopped the disease from spreading to his arms and hands.


        1. boppinsblog says:

          He is awesome. It is so cool watching a grwat guitar player. Us mere mortals go ‘how does he do that?’ and he just doed it with ease.

          He should make the list if under rated guitar players. Nobody ever talks about his playing. Nobody.


  1. DanicaPiche says:

    I like your approach of a weeklong immersion! I don’t know much about them other than some of the hits. So, forgive me if this is a silly question, but…Helter Skelter…is that a cover of The Beatles’ song or something entirely their own?


    1. keepsmealive says:

      The immersion was a challenge, as I do like to mix things up, around here. But I came out of it in (relatively) one piece. And (like you) not really knowing the band in depth, this was a heck of an education. Mike’s right, it’s maybe not perfect, but I would still rate it pretty highly as an overview for noobs like us! Especially given that we’re unlikely to go out and collect up a lot of the rare stuff included here.

      As for Helter Skelter, check yer inbox… 🙂

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      1. DanicaPiche says:

        Wow, Aaron, my inbox just about exploded! Love it. Is this song representative of the rest of the album?
        If I spent a week in these waters I’d probably need a quiet corner somewhere. 🙂


        1. keepsmealive says:

          Well, that track is representative of the sound the Crue was capable of, for good or for bad. It’s not their greatest track, nor is it their worst!

          Yeah, a week of nothing but Mötley was a lot. It’s why I said I felt like I needed a shower after all of that!

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  2. J. says:

    Jings! A week of nothing but Motley Crue! Not a band I’ve ever been much of a fan of … not just cause they’re giant assholes, but I find their music hard work. So, I tip my hat to you. Seriously. You’re made of strong stuff …

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    1. mikeladano says:

      I think at least half of Motley Crue albums are shit. And I’m a fan. I get any and all criticism about this band.

      The best thing they did was the album WITHOUT Vince and most diehard fans know that too.

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        1. J. says:

          Jings! I really can’t form sentances today. I’ve listened to one album (yon Pig Faces) thanks to having a pal who had it and really didn’t dig it much at all. Few tracks here and there (again, the company I keep!), but definitely not ever been impressed or inclined to explore further.

          … and if you, as a fan, reckon at least half of their albums are shit, I’m unlikely to change my current position!


    2. keepsmealive says:

      Haha thanks J.! It didn’t seem like work, though. Sounds to me like you’d be good with a Hits set, like Red, White And Crüe, or Greatest Hits. And that’s cool. I’d still say you should try the self-titled Corabi record, Mötley Crüe, though. It’s a corker.


  3. deKE says:

    Wowzers thanks Fella’s for the Music For DeKEs To Crash His Bike To! What a indepth spin and gamble you took shutting down all aspects of The Melting Pot for the week and listen to just the Crue!
    Impressive as I could never do that myself …hahaha….
    I remember seeing these when they came out and thinking yeah I gotta get them but just passed as I already had everything of there’s anyways….
    For a new fan you can get caught up real quick but for old school like myself,1537,HMO and Mikey ..well MIKEY sums it up best in his response….
    I assume you were dabbling with the Crue when the kids were at school ….hahaha…..’hey kids here’s your dads fav school song Smokin In The Boys Room! ”

    Awesome surprise to sit down,Brue a coffee,feed the dogs ,flip on the iPad head over to the KMA and have a Sunday Sermon featured on me! Ha! Cool Beans!

    Shout At The Dekester!


    1. keepsmealive says:

      DEKE WEEK! Haha I thought you’d like that!

      It was indeed difficult to shut down the melting pot… a lot of other records were calling out to me, this week, but I soldiered on with the Crüe. I’ll bet you could do it, don’t kid yourself! 🙂

      Yeah, see, you’re like Mike, you had all of this stuff already. Me, I’ve never owned any of it before this, so it was a bit of a no-brainer!

      Haha Mike hit Vol. 2 pretty hard. And fair enough. Boxed sets are almost always not the way we’d want them. But still, as an overview, we got a lot of stuff here (for better or worse). I didn’t do a count of the bonus tracks included but I’d wager you could pull just those out and make at least 1 (if not 2) CDs of the 8 that were bonus tracks. Hard to complain, for me, as I wouldn’t be going to collect all the individual singles and stuff ever!

      Glad I could make your Sunday! Deke Week was fun!

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    1. mikeladano says:

      That’s the only way to listen to the Crue. They are four assholes. Well, three assholes plus Mick Mars. Knowing about their personal lives does not make people want to like the Crue. Vince Neil in particular in one of the biggest assholes in rock.

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      1. stephen1001 says:

        Words cannot express my shame though at a recent trivia night! The question: name Motley Crue’s guitarist. My face fell instantly, as Tommy Lee/Nikki Sixx, and Vince Neil were top of the mind but I drew a complete blank on Mick. Doubly disappointing not to remember the only non-asshole in the group!

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        1. deKE says:

          I’m always shouting about Tbay! Hahaha….I think Duluth has gotten more acknowledgement than Tbay in my blog or close to it….hahaha for the fact that Duluth always got the bands ie….Sammy Hagar ,Kiss,Tesla,Ratt, Aerosmith …
          Tbay got Harelquin,Trooper,Streetheart but like I did say in my concert reviews we did score some bands at the time with current mega selling albums that did come here well 2 anyways with The Crowes(Southern Harmony) and Skid Row(Slave) ….
          Tbay for some bands is just a gas stop …..


          1. mikeladano says:

            Well if you’re travelling by highway to Western Canada, a T-Bay stop does make sense!

            I remember reading about T-Bay in one of Neil Peart’s books. He said the sky went darker and everything just got real dour!


            1. deKE says:

              Hahahaha..I read that 2 ….Peart should be a little nicer as i wasn’t there but when Rush played here in 1977(last time by the way) gear and a packed house waited for them but they were caught in a snowstorm they showed up at 12 am played 5 songs and split….of course those 5 songs could have lasted a hour…..
              A guy at work told me this years ago..don’t know if it that was the full story but he said he gave up on Rush that day…..I told him I love Rush and he should reconcile with them!

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              1. mikeladano says:

                Played 5 songs and split, yet Geddy sat there behind home plate loyally for that entire painful last series!!!

                Sarca’s husband posted the funniest comment on Facebook:

                “Can Geddy stand up and play some cool bass licks and distract the Royals?”


              2. boppinsblog says:

                Back then the bars closed at 1, so you can’t blame them for the weather. Also, many places have noise curfew. I have been to many bands at bars that start at 7om and end at 10. Especially through the week.
                We used to watch the hockey game(with the volume off and tunes cranked), prime at hime, and then get to the bar at 10. Those days are gone I guess.


    2. keepsmealive says:

      It’s the Deke Week you Seek! Don’t be Meek! Take a Peek! Hahaha.

      I was the same as you, I knew the singles. These sets sure filled my ears with a lot of stuff I wouldn’t have otherwise heard!

      If we stopped listening to bands that were filled with assholes, we’d have to give up on a lot of favourite bands. We just gotta put up with that the same way we’ve gotta put up with the lies of politicians.

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        1. keepsmealive says:

          Haha that was definitely not WEAK. If you’d been in a fit of PIQUE, I’d say that your thoughts were not entirely UNIQUE (Mike says the boxes ain’t perfect either) but as it stands I’m glad that DEKE WEEK didn’t REEK! 🙂

          Haha man this is fun.

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  4. mikeladano says:

    Agreed with 1537 — the title here was obviously just Nikki saying, “This will get us some attention.” Very calculated. He knew what he was doing and I believe Michael Monroe has in the past accused Nikki of being a publicity whore. And he’s right.

    Where I disagree with 1537, and yourself, is that this is enough Crue to last you a while before you go again. Totally disagreed and I blame these box sets for that.

    I have written reviews of both these box sets on Amazon that have not been posted here because they are not up to my usual standards and never will be. I’d have to start from scratch. But in summation:

    Box set 1: 5/5. Three out of four of those albums are good, only Theater of Pain sucks ass. The box set was stuffed full of bonus tracks with only a few missing. Brilliant.

    Box set 2: 2.5/5. They fucked this one up. Feelgood is in there with associated bonus tracks. Great. Their best album self-titled is in there. But then the next two discs are a mishmash of bonus tracks. Just terrible. What they SHOULD have done for box set 2 is this:

    Disc 1: Feelgood.
    Disc 2: Decade of Decadence
    Disc 3: self-titled
    Disc 4: Quaternary and all Corabi-era bonus tracks

    They should NOT have stuffed the mishmash of other bonus tracks (from the Supersonic and Demonic Relics album) in that box. Most of those songs are pretty weak and should have been left for Supersonic and Demonic Relics in the third box set…which never materialized. They just cancelled the third box set and never told anyone and nobody cared.

    I could go on and on about that second box set, but what they forced me to do was rip them, and them re-separate all the tracks out to their original albums again. It’s the only way I can listen to it, because otherwise it’s just two discs of mish-mash at the end there.

    Mood Ring…they put fucking Mood Ring on this box set. That should have been left on Supersonic and Demonic Relics for good. Shit song!


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    1. deKE says:

      What a response dude! They should have shoved a Live Corabi show on there or something….throw us longtime fans a bone ….like i said for the newbies it’s the way to go for the diehards Nope……
      Wonder what Aaron payed for these as used?

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      1. mikeladano says:

        Like Motley would ever release a live Corabi show now, eh. Not after they started suing each other. Those bridges were burned!

        Corabi is touring now playing those songs which is great. Somebody has to. Union did…I gotta review my 3 Union albums still!

        I do have these but would trade them in for better remastered editions of the albums. The only reason I have these instead of the albums are 2:

        1. The Leathur Records mix, which is the one I grew up on.
        2. There is one songs on disc 4 of box set 2 that is from a Japanese import.


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        1. deKE says:

          The live Union album is excellent! The debut as well nevr got around buying the second studio album of there’s….
          I Recall seeing these Crue box sets in Walmart when they first came out….I think they ran $60-$70 if I remember correctly….

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          1. mikeladano says:

            I have the second one but it’s not as good, not even close. But it’s here…probably haven’t played it since it came out new.

            However I will probably have to do a Union review series when I’m done King’s X. King’s X is growing and growing and I have three more albums to tackle there before it’s done. Union is just three period and done…could go for some of that.


            1. deKE says:

              I bought the live Kings X album at there show here in Tbay ….Dogman almost blew my ears out.. It’s a mish mash of sounds but it’s straight off the soundboard…..


    2. keepsmealive says:

      So Mike, tell me how you really feel about these boxed sets! Hahaha. I totally get what you’re saying. I suppose the difference is that I didn’t grow up on this stuff, really, and never owned any of the albums, so for me it was a neat way to hear a whole bunch of it all at once. I heard songs I knew, songs I didn’t know that I liked, and songs that were duds: just like most boxed sets! Overall though, I do agree with you about the last two discs, but not knowing anything else about it, I would rate these higher than you, simply for the convenience of them! 🙂

      Shame they don’t make the third box. It looks to me like the packaging is meant to line up together to spell their name, and we’re still missing the “rüe” at the end!


  5. 1537 says:

    Im really sorry but you can fit the best of MC on a 12″ single as far as I’m concerned. The title and cover is pretty tasteless too considering their history. Sorry.

    I saw them once too, two great tracks played loadsa sludge.

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          1. 1537 says:

            Anything but that fucking Sweet Home nonsense!

            When I saw ’em live, they played WS and GGG mid set and I swear actually visibly woke up for those two tracks.


                1. keepsmealive says:


                  The only time I ever paid for something and then left early was a screening of Jurassic Park 2. Haha wow that was a steaming pile. But I’ve never left a concert or sporting event early. In fact, I’m the guy willing to stick around a while because I know the parking lot’s gonna be a traffic jam anyway.

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                    1. mikeladano says:

                      This is how he sings on album:

                      He’s the one they call Dr. Feelgood, he’s the one that makes it alright.

                      Here is how he sings it live.

                      He’s the one…Feelgood…He’s the one….alright.


                    2. 1537 says:

                      Funnily enough a mate of mine from work saw Motley supported by Alice Cooper (?!!!) week before last, he said Alice was excellent and should have headlined but he only lasted about 6 songs into Motley’s set – he said that he just ended up feeling really embarrassed for them all.

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