Jian Ghomeshi

News making the rounds yesterday was that the CBC has fired Jian Ghomeshi. Their reasoning seems to be that his conduct was unbecoming of a media star at the CBC. Apparently there’s a disgruntled ex-girlfriend causing waves and the CBC would rather distance themselves from scandal than help one of their brightest young talents.

Taking to Facebook and being open about things, Ghomeshi himself says he’s been treated poorly over something that is no one else’s business. He’s suing for $50 million, and seeking reinstatement under the collective bargaining agreement.

So, let’s say he is telling the truth. On the first point, the money, I agree with him completely. Soak the cowards. On the second point, though, why try to get your job back, especially at a place that would surely be a viper pit from now on? He’s been at this long enough, he oughta take the money and shop around for another job. Hell, he could make his own job, with that much money. He doesn’t need the CBC.

Now let’s look at the other side. The allegations (the Toronto Star says it’s more than one woman) say the behaviour wasn’t consensual. So it’s a he-said, she-said situation. And how does anyone prove what was said? That’s a tough one.

If this is what it looks like so far, you’d share his outrage if you were fired from your job because you like to be kinky in your own bedroom in your own home. If it turns out the allegations are true, then that’s a situation that needs addressed immediately. Would it still require firing from his job? Until we know more, it’s hard to say.

30 thoughts on “Jian Ghomeshi

        1. James Kalyn says:

          I can see that. Though just because someone chooses to stay anonymous doesn’t mean they’re not telling the truth, especially considering he is (was?) very powerful and may have had emails/texts that could speak to perceived consent. Also, one of the journalists involved pointed out that there;s a difference between someone who is truly anonymous and someone who is well known to the journalist but chooses to not use their name.

          But more importantly right now, this: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/10/29/bigearsteddy-jian-ghomeshi-twitter_n_6072266.html

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          1. keepsmealive says:

            Agreed. And only in reading it back do I even miss that I wasn’t clear on that one. Of course you’re right. I didn’t mean to imply that people choosing to remain anonymous are probably lying. I just was thinking that damn, now someone actually has come forward, and she’s a well-known actress and in the air force, and a face and a name just makes it more real, somehow. In retrospect, credibility was probably the wrong word. This is all unfolding very quickly, and in strange, strange ways.

            Big Ears Teddy. I can’t even…

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            1. James Kalyn says:

              I didn’t think you were saying that anonymity =/= credibility – I just wanted to make sure the point was clear.

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              1. keepsmealive says:

                Yup, crystal. And then you could just read my reply to you as a person’s face and a name makes her allegations “more real somehow” than someone who chose to remain anonymous’ allegations (which is totally not what I meant either)… and then I realize it’s 1 am, I think too much (and also not enough, probably) and should just go to bed.

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  1. James Kalyn says:

    Another one I just saw – from Owen Pallett on Facebook:

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    I was challenged by a friend to say something about the recent allegations against Jian Ghomeshi.

    Jian is my friend. I have appeared twice on Q. But there is no grey area here. Three women have been beaten by Jian Ghomeshi.

    I have sat with Jian over drinks and discussed our respective anxiety disorders. We have been photographed hugging on camera.

    Just ten days ago, I helped him find musicians for his father’s funeral. Three women have said that Jian beat them without their consent.

    “We will never really know what happened.” Yes we do. Jian beat, at the very least, three women. Three women said so. “They were jilted exes.” Maybe so. They were beaten by Jian.

    “They were freelance writers looking to get ahead.” Three women were beaten by Jian Ghomeshi.

    At no point here will I ever give my friend Jian’s version of the truth more creedence than the version of the truth offered up by three women. Anonymity does not mean these women do not exist.

    “They were engaged in BDSM role-play.” This: this is something I need to talk about.

    The beauty of BDSM relationships is that the power is always in the hands of the sub. BDSM and choke play is a subversion of male violence.

    To hear that anybody has been abusing the BDSM power relationship for the purpose of engaging in non-consensual violence-against-women is horrifying.

    That is not the point of BDSM. BDSM is in fact about the exact opposite thing. It is about repurposing acts of violence into creating a power dynamic of fucking EQUALITY.

    As for the rest. I have seen my Facebook feed littered with comments about how “for years we’ve known Jian to be a shady character.”

    I too have heard endless rumours that he’s been a bad date, and have heard stories of shadiness and strange behaviour.

    I have heard about his ridiculous pick-up lines and have (to my shame) tittered about them with my friends. But I have never heard, until today, that Jian Ghomeshi beats women.

    I am skeptical of arts reporting. I am skeptical of Canadian journalism. I am sensitive toward shaming of people who are so-called sexual deviants.

    But let’s be clear. Whether the court decides that predatory men are punished or exonerated does not silence the voices of the victims. It does not make victims liars.

    Whether our culture continues to celebrate the works of predatory men is another issue. It does not silence the voices of the victims.

    Jian Ghomeshi is my friend, and Jian Ghomeshi beats women. How our friendship will continue remains to be seen.

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  2. James Kalyn says:

    I don’t know if anyone will ever know what happened apart from those directly involved, who may not say or even believe the same thing anyway. We’ll see what comes out.

    I don’t have any problem believing that CBC would fire someone for a stupid reason, especially if it’s a highly-paid someone. I don’t have any problem believing that people get unnecessarily scandalized by other people’s sex lives. I know that vengeful exes exist. And if I wanted to destroy a celebrity’s reputation, this is how I’d go about it.

    At at the same time, rapists/abusive partners are far more common than vengeful exes who make up stories. And if I knew I was about to have those accusations levied against me, I’d do exactly what Jian did. He sues the CBC, making the mainstream story “Jian vs. CBC” instead of “Jian vs. four women accusing him of non-consensual violent sexual behaviour.” He posts a statement before the news story breaks, painting himself as the victim with lots of “you’ll hear people say” this and that to try and colour how those claims are heard. He confesses to behaviour that most people wouldn’t publicly admit to – boy, that makes him seem like an (embarassed but otherwise) honest guy, doesn’t it?

    I note that so far, no woman has come forward to say that she dated Ghomeshi and defends him, but who’d want to jump in on this? And anecdotally, I’ve heard all kinds of rumours about the guy for a long time, but rumours don’t mean anything, necessarily.

    I hope that the allegations are untrue because 1) that kind of shitty behaviour shouldn’t happen (shitty in terms of the non-consensual nature; people can do whatever they like as long as all involved are okay with it) and 2) in my limited personal dealings with Jian, he was friendly, encouraging, funny, and kind. And shitty things feel a lot worse coming from someone you thought was one of the good guys.

    Recommended reading:

    XOJane article about someone who’s almost certainly Jian (note how many comments call her a liar or worse, and Jian’s name isn’t even mentioned in the article):
    http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/non-date

    A very interesting article from a BDSM perspective about communication and consent:
    http://sexgeek.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/poor-persecuted-pervert/

    Sex columnist Dan Savage:
    http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2014/10/27/prominent-cbc-radio-host-claims-he-was-fired-for-consensual-bdsm-sex

    Globe & Mail – there are legal issues in Canada regarding the legality of BDSM even with consent:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-ghomeshi-question-the-law-and-consent/article21315629/

    text of Jian’s Facebook post:
    http://globalnews.ca/news/1637310/full-text-jian-ghomeshis-post-on-why-he-believes-cbc-fired-him/

    The original Star article:
    http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/10/26/cbc_fires_jian_ghomeshi_over_sex_allegations.html

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  3. deKE says:

    Jian is the best interviewer this country has ever produced in my eyes anyways and one of the reasons I watch and listen to his Q show….what he does outside of it is his deal not mine or anybody else’s. Of course everyone will have a heyday with this….I think he’s speaking here in tbay next month ……

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    1. keepsmealive says:

      He is one of the best we’ve had in a long while. Shame it had to go this way. Ah well, I hope the truth will out.

      He maybe WAS coming to TBay. Wonder if it’ll still happen.

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    1. keepsmealive says:

      The more I think on it, the more I wonder about why the CBC acting so quickly and decisively. It makes one wonder if there isn’t more to it.

      I guess we won’t know unless/until we’re told more.

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        1. James Kalyn says:

          My wife saw something online that made me laugh. “First they came for Steven Page. Then they came for Jian Ghomeshi. Don’t worry, Brad Roberts, I’ll save you!”

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